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Ali Davis

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RachelWatch: Shootings at Fort Hood

Today: Rachel covers the breaking news of the horrifying Fort Hood massacre.

Breaking News

Rachel once again did separate 9:00 and 11:00 broadcasts as she tried to sort out Thursday’s tragic and baffling events at Fort Hood.

As of the first broadcast, almost all that was known was that the shooting suspect is U.S. Army Major Nidal Malik Hassan, a military psychiatrist, and for much of the first broadcast he was believed dead.

A press conference with Lieutenant General Bob Cone clarified the matter, but raised more questions about the flow of information.

Rachel spoke with Danny Coulson, a former Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI.

Murder in the Military

In trying to figure out how and why something like Fort Hood can happen, Rachel and Salon.com’s Mark Benjamin took a disturbing look at similar incidents in the past and the possible strain that can be involved in helping soldiers deal with the trauma of combat.

Fort Carson murders

Rachel continued with an unsettling piece on the extent to which proper mental health support is just not available to returning soldiers.

Lee Christopher Smith of Rolling Stone joined Rachel to talk about Fort Carson in Colorado, where 14 soldiers have been charged with murder in recent years.

Republican Option

In a story that was fun much earlier in the day, Representative Michele Bachmann led her “emergency house call” for the teabaggers on Thursday, and she continues to think it’s adorable to use violent rhetoric and imply that it’s time to overthrow the government.

Are we sure that Bachmann knows she’s a part of the government? I can’t tell if she’s really that loony or if she can just be induced to say absolutely anything when she thinks she’s on a roll.

Anyway, apparently it’s super-patriotic to encourage people to be belligerent toward their elected representatives and litter in the halls of the Capitol.

If you ever get invited over to Bachmann’s house for tea and crazy, make sure to tear up papers and throw them all over her foyer. She loves that.

I guess it’s a good thing that Bachmann is cute and thin enough for Levin’s political standards or the day could have been awkward, huh?

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  • cait the great's picture

    Hometown

    I have lived in Killeen/Ft Hood my whole life, and yesterday was truly a shock to me and everyone else here. And I am glad that as far as I know all of my family and friends who were on Ft Hood yesterday are safe. This shooting brought back a lot of memories from the Luby's shooting that happened many years ago in which my mom got shot (but thankfully made it out alive). I will keep the families of the soldiers who lost their lives yesterday in my thoughts.
    maggieyeahis's picture

    This reminds me of the shootings

    on Ft.Bragg that happened years ago. Still waiting word on some people, but hopefully they are alright. Prayers continue to go out to the victims and their families.

    If the shooter was really that mad about being harrassed for being middle eastern and muslim does he really think that this was gonna make it all better for others like him........if anything it's gonna get kicked up a notch or two.

    "Come On Then Get These Good Done Debbies"

    Lunakiss's picture

    Military's Denial Of Mental Health Issues W/ Military Personnel

     A lot of people who want to join the military already come into the military  w/ mental health issues, but they're stable enough to try and hide it. If you add external factors to an internal one such as Smith from Rolling Stone said like substance abuse, all the person needs to make them go AWOL is a trigger factor. Usually there are tell-tale signs of this.  What the military will not  admit is the fact they know this issue is there, but they choose to ignore it.  There is no difference with this shooting compared to school shootings. 

    People got to learn to speak- up when they get a feeling someone else isn't right in the head. If you don't, incidents and shootings like these will continue to occur over and over again. 

    This event  is sad. I hope the families of these victims will come together and create a support group and raise concerns about this issue to our government. 

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    maggieyeahis's picture

    This shooter was not mental

    at all. There are people with real mental problems in the military but he is not one of them. This guy is a terrorist of sound mind and body who knew exactly what he was doing. 

    "Come On Then Get These Good Done Debbies"

    Lunakiss's picture

    Oh Really You Think?

    So anyone of sound mind who shoots and kills doesn't have a mental issue such as depression?  Depression is a mental issue, according to the AMA.  This guy may knew what he was doing so did countless others who kill, but normal people don't go around killing folks.

    We don't know the real reason behind these killings? We can't assume that he's a terrorist.  We don't have all the facts yet. 

    Anybody who kills has a mental health issue. Something ticked him off. 

     

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    maggieyeahis's picture

    No I don't think

    he is mental. I think he's an asshole but not mental

    He committed a terrorist act, idk what he reasons are for doing it. At the end of the day it's still a terrorist attack on a military base.

    "Anybody who kills has a mental health issue." I have issue with this statement being affliated with the military b/c they are trained to kill, and according to you they all have mental health issues if they have to use their training during combat.

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    trypr's picture

    I don't know how you could

    I don't know how you could possibly tell from the available information: it seems like a very odd pronouncement, that entirely depends on what motivated him.
    maggieyeahis's picture

    "available information"

    what's available to you is probably diff than what is available to me concerning this issue.

    "Come On Then Get These Good Done Debbies"

    Lunakiss's picture

    Good Catch w/ My Statements

     You caught me on that.  I should have clarified myself.  My use of the word mental is not the same as yours.  I use the word mental all the time when referring to people who are crazy in killing for no reason.  I take it personally b/c both my brother and cousin were killed. 

    So you caught me. I apologize for offending you. You're right I think of people using a gun to defend themselves when being attacked. They necessarily may not have mental health issue.   

    Sometimes I'll write an overstatement. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

    Have a blessed day! =). 

     

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    maggieyeahis's picture

    First I would like to say

    sorry for your loss. Now I understand that to you mental is thinking that someone is crazy for acting more than a fool. A misunderstanding that happens when emotions get involved. Obviously this story hits a nerve for the both of us for various reasons.

    Hope you have a blessed day as well.

    "Come On Then Get These Good Done Debbies"

    Tapette's picture

    Technically an attack

    Technically an attack against a military base isn't a terrorist attack, terrorism is usually defined as violence to harm civilians in pursuit of a political goal. (Insurgents in Iraq are often wrongly described as such but when they target soldiers they're actually committing acts of war, not terror. Then of course there are acts of terror committed by the military against civilians, such as Mai Lai, but we usually call those war crimes). It seems from what I've read that his action was a cowardly/psychotic reaction to trauma. He's been said to have been disturbed by stories he heard from counseling PSTD clients. He was anxious about being deployed and he no doubt reacted extremely to the Islamophobia of other soldiers. He doesn't appear to have joined the army to carry out a plot.

    While I think that this man has no excuse and his crime is beyond evil, I wouldn't call it a terrorist attack so much as a workplace attack. He killed people he worked with rather than walking into an unknown building with a bomb. He wrote apologistically about suicide bombing but they say this all only happened in the past year, indicating a dramatic, perhaps psychotic change. He had also worked for the military for at least 8 years without incident. If he were part of a terror network I wonder why he didn't use his military clearance to secure larger weapons at an earlier date. 

    I'll be interested to hear if he had any connections, because that would change my perception. 

    Good on the woman who shot him 4 times while getting wounded in the process. That's a pretty amazing feat.

    maggieyeahis's picture

    He yelled "Allah Akbar" before shooting

    what more proof is needed to prove that this is a terrorist attack. This attack was a terrorist attack even if it happened on base, that's why there is so much security on bases in the first place to prevent terrorist attacks.

    "In an interview on NBC’s “Today” show, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, a base spokesman, was asked about reports that Major Hasan had yelled “Allahu Akbar” — an Arabic expression for “God is great” — during the shooting. General Cone said soldiers at the scene had reported “similar” accounts...."

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    Tapette's picture

    Again, attacks on military

    Again, attacks on military bases are not terrorism, they are acts of war. The attack on the pentagon in 2001 is better understood as an act of war for the same reason. This is why we don't call Pearl Harbor a terrorist attack.

    This guy still appears to have more in common with workplace killers than Al Qaeda.

    maggieyeahis's picture

    A definition of terrorism

    "a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government."

    He was resisting having to go overseas, b/c it went against his beliefs. I would not put Pearl Harbor or 9/11 on the same scale as the attack at Ft. Hood.

    Definition of an Act of War:

    –noun an act of aggression by a country against another with which it is nominally at peace.

    This was not an act of aggression by a country against another it's at peace with. 

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    Tapette's picture

    The term 'terroristic

    The term 'terroristic method' is indeed more appropriate than 'terrorist' because terror is indeed a method and not an identity. I would argue though that because his action appears to have had more to do with a mental breakdown rather than political conviction, he's not really a terrorist Al Qaeda style. 

    You raise a fair point about countries being involved in acts of war, but I would still assert that its the target that matters in terms of defining terrorism. 'Terrorism' was popularized as a term to specify civilian targets.  the 'war on terror' isn't a war on a country. Hmm...

    In the end though I think he's a workplace killer who killed those people as coworkers, not as political opponents etc.

    maggieyeahis's picture

    Imo

    not a mental breakdown at all the guy had his beliefs and he wasn't going to change them.

    "American intelligence agencies knew months ago that the Fort Hood gunman had tried to contact people linked to Al Qaeda, ABC News reported Monday.

    It is not known whether the agencies informed the Army that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had attempted to connect with Anwar al Awlaki, a radical mosque leader who runs an English language anti-American web site that promotes jihad, U.S. officials briefed on classified material told ABC."

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    LetItRing's picture

    Questions, questions, questions???

    How does him yelling "Allahu akbar" before shooting prove it was a terrorsit attack? How is that proof? How is it proof of him, as you said in previous post, being of "sound mind and body who knew exactly what he was doing."

    I've witnessed people yelling and/or pleading "Allahu akabar" when in duress. Pleading for relief of pain, distress, sadness, pleading for guidance or help when they are about to "go off" or feeling uncontrollable "madness," praying for it to stop. These were all in high stress environments with high rates of severe trauma. These are just some of the ways I've seen, or rather heard, the takbir used.

    Regarding Fort Hood, I only know what I've heard in the news, so I don't know his state of mind or intensions and am not asking to rule anything out...again I don't know...but I just don't understand how yelling Allahu akbar is proof of terrorism.

    ...some thoughts...

    maggieyeahis's picture

    How about his actions

    along with him yelling that God is great equal terrorist attack. The old fool that went into a holocaust museum and killed a guard, terrorist attack.

    I never said that him yelling Allah Akbar was proof of him being of sound mind, so lets get that straight.

    The fact that he yelled Allah Akbar before shooting follows the same pattern as other terrorist attacks carried out by terrorist that claim to muslims. The guy gave away all of his possessions and said his goodbyes before this attack, he knew exactly what he was doing.

    What is messed up is that this guy was upset about being harassed b/c he is muslim, and now because of his very selfish actions his fellow muslims will pay for what he has done.

    "Come On Then Get These Good Done Debbies"

    LetItRing's picture

    I was taking into account his actions

    I wasn't trying to be snipey, just trying to get a better understanding of your position. I don't disagree that he seems to have known what he was doing and had planned for it, not only for the reasons you mentioned, but he used his personal weapons. But being a planned act, I don't think that necessarily is equated with being of sound mind either. Just my thoughts.

    Quote:

    What is messed up is that this guy was upset about being harassed b/c he is muslim, and now because of his very selfish actions his fellow muslims will pay for what he has done.

    I could not agree with you more. It is beyond irrational, which is one of the reasons why it all seems so wierd/odd/unsettling...beyond the act of mass murder, something seems really off.

    Tapette's picture

    People also plan suicides

    People also plan suicides and make extensive arrangements, including giving away their possessions, but that doesn't make them mentally sound.
    maggieyeahis's picture

    This is why I don't like

    the whole mentally sound issue being brought up b/c then these fools will use that public opinion and turn it into a defense so they can get a lighter sentence that they don't deserve. Example the Ft. Bragg shooter he tried to claim he was mental b/c he knew what was coming to him and wanted a lighter sentence. The guy was not mental just an asshole and a coward. The Ft. Hood shooter was mentally sound when he decided to be a coward.

    "Come On Then Get These Good Done Debbies"

    Tapette's picture

    If Hassan survives I really

    If Hassan survives I really doubt he'll see the light of day again, but I can see why fears that he might use mental unsoundness as a defense could discourage people from wanting to consider him mentally unsound. He still could be unstable; I guess this will be resolved as the investigation continues and if he's interviewed afterward.

    I found an interesting article about al qaeda wanting to claim the event without yet (if ever) having any evidence:

    http://gawker.com/5400614/how-the-ft-hood-shooter-brings-radical-clerics...