Ilene talks Times – are we ready to listen?

Everyone else were just her marionettes, and no matter how well they performed the strings always showed.

The picture of Mia and she-who-must-not-be-named is a brilliant image to accompany the marionettes.  If anyone in that cast performed their ass off to the fullest extent possible with the worst everything possible it was Mia. 

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omg, why doesn't she just GO AWAY! Honestly, I mean I know that she did increase lesbian visibility in the media, and she has clearly given herself a pat on the back already. However, I think that she might have done much more harm than good. Honestly, the L Word went from being this great series in the first two seasons to the lesbian version of Nip/Tuck in that it hates men/woman/cancer patients/child molestation victims/sick dogs/cute tennis players/lesbians in general/transgendered people/humanity in general outside the world of Illene! Honestly, it went from bashing the transgendered community to butch lesbian! Seriously? And to end it all on such an amazingly negative note! It was obvious that Illene just wrote herself into a hole and decided to make it an "artsy" open ended finale. I'm sorry, but that didn't work out that well for the Sopranos, and at least with that show, people didn't have dartboards with the creator's picture on it! (not that I do...) I know that amateurs borrow and professionals steal, but I honestly don't see Illene as a professional anything. She is self centered and self indulgent. I would say that I wish someone would give her a piece of their mind, but I doubt it would pierce her massive ego. How did this woman get so much exposure? Weren't there two other creators? She never seems to mention them, but they seem to be more humble and less enamored with themselves.

*takes a breath*

I just HAD to get that out!

but im all the way in cali =P.

Im really tired of all the IC bashing, i mean get over it, in life we dont always get what we want right? Im not gonna bitch and moan about it whenver the topic comes up. At first i was upset at the ending, but the fact is the L word was great show, it had its ups and downs, and yeah the last season, not too great, but i still loved it. Way to turn on the person that brought us tibette & company and some f*cking fantastic lesbian televsion moments. Ive had friends screw up, and i forgave em and still luv em, ive had family do the same, and i forgave em and still love em, we're all flawed. So why is that this woman who imo helped our visibility more than people are willing to acknowledge, is being crucified. I just dont get it.

I would actually pay to see this discussion. Having been an avid supporter of the L Word amongst many, I'm sure there would be an extremely pissed off L Word fan in the audience who will let IC know how much she screwed up.  

Also,  I would be able to see the Lovely Jennifer Beals in person.  

" True enjoyment comes from activity of the mind and exercise of the body; the two are ever united" ~ Wilhelm von Humbolt

I would definitively pay... to see Jennifer Beals :) 

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I can't imagine a better way to celebrate 4.20.

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Ilene and Jennifer are the perfect pair. That is why they had Jennifer present Ilene with an award at last year's Women's Event 11. Sadly, Jennifer almost forget she was presenting and instead gave a heartfelt speech that reconfirmed she is my bff.

Watch now!

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Wow, the TimesTalks are like a parade of some of the world's biggest egos: Ilene, Coach K, Paul Krugman and TYRA...must make for interesting discussions. 

I'd pay $30 to go see Jennifer Beals in person, for sure. One of the best results from six seasons of The L Word is having Beals as an advocate for LGBT issues. That said, I would, no doubt, experience immense frustration at hearing Ilene defend herself and would probably sigh audibly or curse her under my breathe numerous times...so, you know, it's probably good I can't go. 

"The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use — of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public." -- Robert F. Kennedy  

Memorable recipes from The L Word?  How about that stir-fry that Angie never got to eat.

..That was pretty memorable. :)

"And, once again, that billing is a microcosm of what was wrong with The L Word. It was always Mama Chaiken's puppet show. Everyone else were just her marionettes, and no matter how well they performed the strings always showed."

 "Though the whole thing has me a little concerned. The description calls the who killed Jenny fiasco an “intriguing 'whodunit' plot twist.” Well, if by “intriguing” they actually mean “incomprehensible” and by “plot twist” they actually mean “unsuccessful attempt to ensure the creation of a ludicrous prison-themed spin-off,” then that sounds about right."

Two of the most accurate descriptions of "The L Word" ever. 

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'the future has arrived, it just hasn't been evenly distributed yet'

Must be an exceptional actor (I know she is) and diplomat to put up with being within range of Chaiken without strangling her.

Good piece of barb, DS.

From the pic, its clear Kim was chosen to interview them because she's "family" :) I doubt there'll be any claws out, pity.

Why is it that egomaniacs like Chaiken always rise to the top of the (dung) heap that is Hollywood?

And no, I wouldn't give Chaiken a break because she brought us L Word. Sounds like there were 2 other producers - Abbot & Greenberg - who concieved the show & had it stolen - who could have given us a much higher quality show. (See interview with them in AE a few days ago). 

I THINK JENNIFER IS APPEARING WITH ILENE TO PROTECT HER FROM THE TOMATOES THAT WOULD BE THROWN FROM THE CROWD IF JENNIFER WASN'T THERE,I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT MS CHAIKEN ADMITS SHE BLEW IT HUGE AND AND ADDRESSES THE OVERWHELMING OUTRAGE FROM THE FANS...NOW IF JENNIFER AND LAUREL WERE APPEARING SOMEWHERE TOGETHER,I'D PAY WHATEVER THEY WERE CHARGING...

Villagers, we must wave our medieval torchesat Betty's moat....!

as soonas that band arrived, everything became incredibly cringeworthy on the L word...need i remind anyone of Jenny's carnival flashback music...?

and let's face it, "EZGirl" had more than just her digits on the mixing desk.......

chaiken was merely a victim, an accessory if you will,  in/to the brutal murder of a classy soundtrack......

got my ticket =)  Every show can't be perfect or go exactly how we want it to.  So im grateful to have had it on air for 6 years regardless of the disagreements I have with it.

If Jennifer Beals shakes my hand I will never ever wash it again.

I loved the l word, but I feel that what IC did with it was almost like a betrayal, at least that's the feeling it gave me. kinda like when that bastard rob tapert killed xena - god i hate the man.

so no, i wouldn't pay to hear IC talk, tho it would be nice to see Jennifer for sure.

I would definitely go. I mean I'm not the Chaikenator's number 1 fan (if you could call me a fan of hers at all) but I would definitely go to see the Chaiken and some J Beals. That's not saying much because I was pretty willing to cough up some money at a Pride parade last year to see Betty. I would have seen them too if my friend hadn't talked me out of it. It's not that I like Betty, it's just one of those things I had to see to believe.

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Will someone find a hook and get these two off the stage? 

Now that Caiken is washed up, I have some books to recommend to her and to her and  Beals.

Chaiken, please go read books of literature that have substantive character development and plots that follow a somewhat logical plot.  Also, please read books like Desert of the Hearts - books that depict average American lesbians trying to make a lesbian relationship work for a LIFETIME.Also, put away your treasured goals of pruducin lesbian-centric porn.

Beals:  Please read every feminist book you can get your hands o.  Then, and only then, can you tell us why you found it necessary to use your visitors pass into the gay community to urge gay women to vote for Obama instead of what would have been our first female president.

I don't want to bash IC or The L Word. I just want them both to go quietly into the night and let us all GET OVER IT.

I miss tlw a lot. I bitched and moaned as loud if not louder then anyone. But; I still miss it. Not because it was a good show, it wasn't, not because it showed us in a better light it didn't, not because it broke new ground well maybe that I will concede. 

I miss it because I miss Tibette, Bette Porter/JB and all those great actors and I miss having something that was ours.

What I don't need is the continued self promotion that is IC. We've had 6 years, we've had enough.

I hope someone, somewhere will create a new lesbian show that actually attempts to tell our stories, show us in a better light and still hold that hot damn beautiful women allure, with maybe some women that look and act like lesbians without it being a negative.

You don't have biker shows without leather jackets and cigarettes, cooking shows  without aprons, or war shows without uniforms. How can you have a lesbian show without butch or tomboy women??????

Yes I love all the beautiful gals, Jennifer, Rachel, Leshia, Rose, Erin etc. I'm saying wow and I did but; Rachel Maddow is also a wow. I know many beautiful "butch, boyish" women, what is there to be afraid of. How can you show us in a better light if YOU are ashamed of a large portion of US. I just never got that......

The tlw message just reinforced the same old crap, put on a dress and heels and act like a girl even if it hurts and everything will be alright. I take it back no real ground breaking here...