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Molly Shannon to play foxymoron in U.S. “Kath and Kim”

Earlier this year, I was mindlessly channel surfing when I happened on what I thought was a British comedy on the Sundance Channel. After my Southern ears adjusted to the accents, I realized two things. First, the show was Australian, not British. And second, it was very, very funny. But word of a U.S. remake of that show, Kath and Kim, by NBC brings mixed feelings. First, the good news: One of my favorite funny ladies will costar.

Molly Shannon will play Kath Day-Knight, whose relationship with her adult daughter Kim is the heart of the show. As Kath would say, “Noice.”

I’m less enthusiastic to learn that Michelle Nader wrote the latest script for Kath and Kim instead of Nancy Pimental, who penned the original adaptation. Why? Pimental used to write for South Park; Nader for King of Queens. Not a good sign. Especially given the challenge of translating such a distinctively Australian show for U.S. viewers.

Kath and Kim is based on characters created by Jane Turner and Gina Riley, who write and star in the hit show. The episodes I watched ranged in tone from sharp satire to potty humor — and I’m sure I missed quite a few of the cultural and political references. Adapting a series like this for an American audience requires rethinking everything about it — like taking Seinfeld to London. It can be done, but only sharp writing can make it successful.

Here's a taste of the Kath and Kim brand of humor:



Have you seen Kath and Kim? Who would make a good Kim to star with Shannon? Readers from Oz, how much do you love this show? Do you think a U.S. remake can work?

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  • justiceygoodness's picture

    wow. there wasn't a thing

    wow. there wasn't a thing about that clip that made me chuckle. i love molly shannon in just about everything she does, so we'll see if an american version can show me the way.
    VashtheStampede's picture

    Mixed feelings as well

    I'm a huge fan of the show, having caught it when the now defunct Trio network first showed it, but I don't know if it can be successfully transferred to the American market (we are pretty hit or miss when it comes to adapting other countries comedies). Still, Molly Shannon is a step in the right direction. Its too bad Swoosie Kurtz is busy with Pushing Daisies, she might have made a good foil for Molly. Holland Taylor, the mother from Two and a Half Men might work too.
    apollo's picture

    if anyone can pull it off

    Molly Shannon can. Too bad she's not helping to write it.
    sessie's picture

    Not Paying

    As my Aussie friends say, not paying that one. I just don't think it will work.

     Molly Shannon is clearly the only hope for that show.

    8675309's picture

    I'll watch but . . .

    it probably won't work. 

    I'm an American and I love Kath and Kim, but I just don't see it working. But if the writing is good and Molly Shannon is in it, it has a chance of being good in it's own right.

    While on the subject does anyone know where I can buy Kath and Kim on DVD here in the US? I watched a whole season of it on DVD last year in Australia and loved it. Now I want more!
    katiesro's picture

    My girlfriend is from

    My girlfriend is from Australia (she moved over here to be with me in 2005) and brought all of her Kath & Kim DVDs with her. I've watched quite a few episodes and I have to admit the humor is pretty hilarious. She thinks that some americans may not get it or wont appreicate the sense of humor. (the orignal) She also feels that rather than take off an American version they should just air the original. Kath and Kim is funnier when you understand all the australian references (she says, I certainly wouldnt know).  :)

    JuSt-mOi's picture

    love Molly!

    I love Molly Shannon, but unless they cast someone as big and as funny to be Kim, I don't think the show will work in the States, specially if it has a lot of australian references, they would have to rewrite the whole script and not all adaptations work...a few examples of the ones that have worked: Ugly Betty (which is totally different than the original), Queer as Folk...an adaptation that I was hoping to work because the original (british) was hilarious was Coupling,but it turned out to be a disaster in its american version.

    "i don't suffer from insanity...i enjoy every minute of it"

    Alcy's picture

    Kim...look at moiye, look at moiye!

    (You'll get the above quote if you watch the show!)

    Us Kiwis love the show as much as the Aussies because it's the same Antipodean brand of humour that we like, poking fun at ourselves. A lot of the funniest parts are only understood by Aussies and Kiwis.

    I don't see why they're calling it an American remake of Kath and Kim because it won't be the same, it'll be a completely different show and should just be called something else. And Kath's character should be older than Molly Shannon to have an adult daughter of Kim's age...I bet they'll be looking for someone young and hot for the role...TYPICAL! I don't think any writer would be up to the challenge of translating the show...lame idea, call it quits now!

    (I'm not sure where that preview was found but it wasn't a proper episode and didnt show the humour of Kath & Kim to its fullest extent.)

    kerplunksky's picture

    As far as I am aware Jane

    As far as I am aware Jane who plays Kath is only a few years older than Gina who plays Kim.  Molly Shannon is actually about the same age as them both (all in their early to mid 40's) so I don't think that would be an issue as some actresses are brilliant at playing older. 
    While I think Molly is a good choice I'm a little dubious about the US version.  As many people have already pointed out some comedy works because of the cultural references and accents and K & K seems to be one of them.  I don't know how it will work but I suppose it depends on who they cast and how much it is like the original.  I don't know if we'll get to see it in the UK but I'd be interested to see how it turns out.
    I admit I am starting to get a bit pi**ed off with the amount of re-makes/ prequels/ spin-offs/ 'new' versions/ copies that seem to be churned out these days.  Is there even one night on TV these days that isn't full of reality show, followed by a repeat, followed by a re-make followed by a repeat, followed by an all 'new' version of another country's show? 
    I'm going to stop ranting now! 
    littlegreenx's picture

    an aussie

    I don't get how it will be Kath and Kim at all, in a US remake. Part of what makes the show work in australia is largely context-based - it's funny because of the cultral jibes Because maybe we know people who embody less exaggerated elements of these characters (or maybe we're glad we are nothing like them), and the cultural cringe is a relief when it's something you can laugh at. It's funny because of the tv climate in australia and the fact that, at the time it was created, there was a lack of aussie humour on tv. It's hard to even list exactly how it works, because it's filtered in through all our pop culture and feeds off it at the same time. Take away the context, and what will you have? a 2008-ish Married With Children-type deal. Hasn't this type of show been done to death already in the US?

    Why remake everything? How hard is it to enjoy a show for what it is, instead of thinking it requires translation? This mentality has always baffled me. I could write an essay on it.

    I remember someone tried to do a US remake of Red Dwarf too, back in the day. Idiocy. Glad that didnt end up taking off.

    carla_s's picture

    Kath & Kim in a trailer park...

    ...i totally agree with the Married With Children thing - the US equivalent of Aussie suburban McMansion 'bogans' will have to be 'white trash' mockumentary style, rather than a sitcom format...The reason this show is so funny (or should I say 'was'?! this season sucks a in a big way) is that the humour is so self-deprecating and heightened. But it is often silly rather than awkward and I think US humour is more geared towards remakes of the awkward style (ie. The Office), than silly (why the American Ab Fab never got off the ground)... 
    katiesro's picture

    " Because maybe we know

    " Because maybe we know people who embody less exaggerated elements of these characters (or maybe we're glad we are nothing like them), "

    My aussie girlfriend says the -exact- same thing :)

    Keeva99's picture

    Jane & Gina

    Two of the funniest women on the planet! They're ny-ioce, they're different, they're un-ewes-yewl. As for a US version...Good luck with that!...lol...you guys and your remakes...lol...you crack me up. I hope Gina & Jane are making a packet out of this!
    bbkf101's picture

    i can imagine Kath & Kim as

    i can imagine Kath & Kim as a couple of southerners with a heavy accent doing southern things. ...... nah, i can't see how they can turn them into Americans.

     

    "Kimmy, look at moiye look at moiye!"

    oxoxTeGaNxoxo's picture

    a big part of kath and kim

    a big part of kath and kim are the accents (personally i don't know anyone who talks like it but it's like an exageration of our accents). i know people now who say loook at mioye all the time. basically my mum says it to me all the time. i really just can't see a U.S version of it. If any one has any ideas how it would look tell me cuz i really can't see it ay. and isn't it funny just how it is? 
    Loui's picture

    K&K

    Gina Riley and Jane Turner are two brilliantly funny women, as is lovely Magda Szubanski (who, if I'm not mistaken, is family).

    But, after three seasons, even they can't sustain the brilliance and elegance of the first season of this show. It's just not that funny any more. As for an American remake... HOW? And, WHY?

    I realise a lot of the "bogan" humour could be replaced with US suburban stereotypes, but why bother then with an adaptation? Why not just create a whole new show? Do they even have Kels in the US? Or Sharons? Or Fat Free Fruche?

    I think this'll be another catastrophe like Coupling or The Office. K&K is funny because of the accents, and the references to local trends, and Prue and Trude-style spot-on impersonations. If Americans don't get the show, they don't get it. There are plenty of comedians who parody US culture really well. Why vampirise our comedy, GD it?

    I'm hoping Jane, Gina and Magda get bavk to the sort of comedy they used to do. Did anyone ever see that Brides Of Satan: Ringwood Branch sketch?

    MAN that was funny.

     

    Keeva99's picture

    Classic...lol

    My fav Magda & Jane skit...

    "But ploise pet, I said, love, I said pet, I said love"...lol...still mimicking them to this day!

    willowisadorable's picture

    YES! i was def gonna mention

    YES! i was def gonna mention that, one of my faves too.

     "i said pet i said love i said pet, i know your my only son, of course i'm upset your going to jail, but that's what you get for dealing drugs".. *drags on cigarette*

    hehehe. ive always classified magda as one of my fave funny women ever.

    not only but also's picture

    Kath and Kim

    Yes, I believe Magda does bat for our team. Wish she wasn't so damned quiet about it though. (For non-Australians, she played the farmer's wife in Babe, but is legendary in Australia for appearing in some spectacularly good sketch comedy.) Actually, she'd be a great blogger for AE!

    I just don't see how K&K will make it through an American re-write. It sounds just like the awful suggestion that Roseanne was to re-write Ab Fab. Just show the originals!! The rest of the world doesn't feel compelled to re-make YOUR sitcoms! (By the way, as a huge fan of the UK Office, I stunned myself at not only loving but preferring the US version. Ricky Gervais himself said it gave him the chance to iron out the bugs in the original. Ditto Queer as Folk).

    What's the US equivalent of:

    Kim: I want to be effluent, mother, effluent.

    Kath: You are effluent, Kimmy, you ARE! 

    Not Only But Also

    Grumpy_Git's picture

    To be honest

    I've seen Kath and Kim and have to say its damn hilarious. However, i really don't think it can translate very well into an American show.

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    char_chick's picture

    LOVE K & K

    I abs love Kath and Kim buh den again I think that Auzzie humour is great.
    Mizkel's picture

    I'm with the majority...

    I really can't see how it will work... Kath and Kim is so unique and the humour is very Australian.. I just don't understand why you don't just play the original over there in America.  By having new writers and actors, all thats going to be the same is the name!

     And besides there will be no one that will be able to dance like Kath and Kel, those two hornbags can dance like no one elses business!

    brazen's picture

    *snort*

    "And besides there will be no one that will be able to dance like Kath and Kel, those two hornbags can dance like no one elses business!"

    LOL - that Riverdance episode was just the funniest thing.....  I agree, most of K&K just wont travel - its so OZ-specific. I don't want to cast nastursiums but I dont think the US can pull it off.



    Izzfizz's picture

    I'm an Aussie and not a big

    I'm an Aussie and not a big fan, the first season was ok. Summerheights High, now there's a funny show!

    It won't work in the US, as Loui said, you either get the humour or you don't. Re-making things is silly, you might as well make a whole new and different show.
    Elvis730's picture

    I've got one word to say to you...

    As a fellow Australian I too love this show (RE: my signature)...and I too can not see it working as a US version. It's just so Aussie, i cant see the jokes working...and I agree with you Mizkel I dont see anyone being able to dance like Kath & Kel...lol...too funny!

    And yes Summer Hights High is brilliant too!

    Marrion: Now, tell me what do you see?
    Kel: Two lovers in a passionate embrace
    Kath:...Two dead sticks

    wicketcat's picture

    Remake a Classic ??

    As an Aussie I'd have to say the writing is going to have to be spot on to make this work - that said we all have our own stereotypical view of americans from say, the South and a play on that could work over there just as it did here.  This show works so well in Australia because of the lower middle class striving for sophistication parody - I'm sure there's parallels in the US - and the use of language (e.g. Kim "I don't want to be just well off Mum, I want to be effluent !" Kath "You ARE effluent Kim").

    If they get the right script writers (and I think the South Park writer would be the go here) then they can hope to come up with lines like Kim's classic thought "they're all so self centred...am I the only one thinking about moi ?"

    kateywatey's picture

    Decline of Authentic American humour?

    This has infuriated me beyond belief.

    For yet another U.S. tv station to steal a non-U.S. idea must surely insult the minute, but very much alive and kicking, minority of US comic writers??

    Note to media people who lack the confidence to commission American comedy: Instead of stealing/remaking non-American shows such as The Office/Bad Girls/Kath & Kim and tainting their original comic genius and superb script-writing with glossy, generic and grossly mediocre dollarised humour, I suggest you focus more on cultivating and encouraging more of your own ultimately unique and special homegrown humour. Instead of canceling brilliant shows like Arrested Development that DO make the masses giggle (US/non-US alike!), let's see more and more of the American quirk ... it could do your reputation wonders.

    boganville's picture

    My Name is Earl

    There's already been lots of good American sitcoms that centre around their version of "bogan" culture. I really liked "My Name is Earl" when they were airing the first season in Australia; it's clear that writers out there can do much better than watered down version of Kath & Kim. "Roseanne" is another classic example, although it did run way too long past its prime. "The Simpsons", despite being a bit hit-and-miss these days, is still a very entertaining look at a suburban family that's on the lower end of the middle-class scale.

    Don't Americans find it insulting that their TV executives feel that they have to translate ideas from overseas into "Americanese" all the time just for their people to understand the joke? How many TV shows from overseas actually make it to air over there in their mostly untouched form??

    lisaR's picture

    i picked it

    that's so funny two weeks aga soem friends and i were talking about casting for this and we picked that Molly Shannon should play Kath. We also picked Amy Poehler to play Kim, so we will have to wait and see.

     

    Whether it will translate across, i am not too sure.

     

    And to the person earlier who queried whether Magda Szubanski is family, i can confirm it, i have a friend who um well can confirm it through personal experience

    wake_up's picture

    i love molly shannon. a lot.

    i love molly shannon. a lot. i hope this show doesn't change that for me.

    i just don't get why everything has to be translated so that americans will watch it? seriously, this show is great, same with the uk office, why aren't people given a chance to appreciate them? i love lots of tv shows from lots of different countries, the whole idea of remaking them to suit another country is foreign to me. it's just like a different show basically. i understand american shows, if theres something i dont get i go look it up for myself. it's half the fun, being able to learn something about different cultures.

    although, i wouldn't exactly want kath and kim representing every australian, but they do a good job of presenting characters that many people seem resemble all too comfortably.

    i could watch half an hour of sally o'malley every week, they should give that to molly.


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