Off to watch this right now! You girls saved me from boredom!

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Saved me from boredom as well.... Off to watch :D.

Yep. Being a minority within a minority sux!!

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Rose Rollins is super hot.
Isn't Queen Latifah a super duper dyke?

I don't know why, but every time your intro starts, I almost get a heart attack or something ;)  

You didn't even take your clothes of, yet you've never looked more naked.

LOVE you guys

I Laughed so much throughout this episode, can't wait for the next one ;)

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LMAO @ Jenn "EAT THE CAKE ANNA-MAE!!" (lol u know u was wrong 4 that Jenn!)

Ya'll need to talk about B.Scott's new song "B#$tch Hold My Ponytail" ( A Mess, but I love it!)

Anyway, this vlog is always the highlight of my week so keep em' coming!

Hope ya'll have a great Thanksgiving weekend!

O yea and thanks for commenting on the election and Prop 8. I was curious to know what you guys thought about it.

B. Scott is a damn fool...i do love the children tho. he is someone i would be friends with lol.

LMAO@ Jenn saying "2 Legit to Quit" haha good times.
this vlog isnt good for my health...people can die from laughing too much.

yall made some extremely valid points about Prop. 8. 
and the thing Dee said about being a minority within a minority....i couldn't have put it better myself. kudos

~girls are a trip. women are a vacation~

Aiden "to the left, to the left!" I like the idea of using an entire song lyric as a verb.

Ok, first off, the beginning of this vlog was really great in regards to the Prop 8 issue and the racism of the LGBTQ community being brought to the surface after such a long time. There was never a valid reason to make this into a racial issue, but at least maybe now we have the opportunity to get some issues addressed and open up a dialogue in which we can discussthe racism, because guess what? It's not going anywhere unless it is addressed as an important reality.

As far as the episode goes, these are always so much better than the episode itself. And this SON episode was unusually bad. Glen has never been able to carry an entire thirty minutes and he didn't start last week. He and Chelsea are eight million times worse than the idea of Shane and Jenny (which is going to happen isn't it? great).

Actually, Shane and Jenny might be worse, but Glen and Chelsea are in the same parade.

And look, I just went an entire post without mentioning the hotness that is Jenn.

Crap.

God bless you ladies for discussing this issue. Some really ugly things have been said lately about the black community and the vote on Prop 8.  I find it really funny that gay people feel that all black people should care about the rights of all gay people when there are several gay people who care nothing about people of color. I know it seems like it should just be obvious but if we want the black community to support our rights, then it is really important to show the black community that the gay community cares about injustices against them as well. 

I have been in many discussions on this very sight where people of color have expressed a feeling of invisibility in the gay community and some have made light of our feelings or even said mean and hateful things.  It will be a beautiful day when we as a community can reach out to people of color and gain support because we show support.

An argument that talks about the unfair reaction to Prop 8 in a very real and clear way is http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/16/MN5R1435T4.DTL

You ladies were brave to speak your mind. God bless you and keep up the good work.

OMG!! that shout out ya'll gave me in the vlog really made my week.  and that's the (sad) truth.  lol  this vlog was wonderful as always. 

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the first half was great and got me really thinking about some issues...the second half was awesome and friggin' funny as hell...  thanks girls.

love the episode. and love bscott. jenn you know ur the girl b scott. you guys never answer the questions that was posted on the last two blogs.

hi dee ;0)

First off, I just did a search for B Scott... lmaoooooooo wow (still doesn't compare to NVY69 <--my fav youtube fag boy "werrrrrrrrrrrrk!!!)

The show.  I always find it funny that people in their 30s, 40s, and maybe even 50s sit and write about being a teenager.  I'm sure in someone's household (certainly not my parents') sneaking out is the norm.  I think if the sun is up when you're leaving you might as well take a seat at the kitchen table.  Don't play bold BE bold. 

Prop 8.  I'm done with the G-L-T community.  It can keep the clubs and the picket signs.  Now, I may just be a little salted still, I admit to being a drama queen but I was told that I don't have the "RIGHT TO ACT PERSONALLY EFFECTED BY THE GAY MARRIAGE BAN" .... ::pause:: (nothing nice to say don't say anything at all)  I think all minorities need to get over the within group back biting.  And for the record I'm PRO-DIVORCE FOR EVERYONE! 

Obama!  I was very proud that night.  I tend to have a more republican lean so I was really ok with either outcome although Palin.... I just couldn't... couldn't really..... rock 100% with the thought of her as president (don't confuse I was very anti-Biden from jump!  His speech on my campus is what finally put me at ease)  I think, this country has a lot of repairing to do after beating around the Bush for the past 8 yrs and Obama is a step in the right direction.

Great one ladies!

"Don't threaten me with love, Baby.  Let's just go walking in the rain."

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"... female version of a hustler. I'm a diva I'm a I'm a DIVA!"

I love listening to you two - you could talk about the weather and it would be entertaining. :)

I'm glad you talked about racism and the Prop 8 aftermath — some of the discussion in the gay community about this in the aftermath of the election has been very concerning. Although I understand how some white LGBT voters think one oppressed group should automatically support the rights of another oppressed group, it just doesn't work that way (especially when it's religious issue), and it isn't fair to pin the Prop 8 loss on black California voters, when the majority of the people who voted against it were white. Plus, the LGBT community doesn't do enough to include people of color as a general rule, so it's a little hypocritical — but that's a rant for another day.

But back to SON — your lecture to Spencer about how she's still a teenager with rules was hilarious (and true). And glad to see the dog making a cameo. :D

OMG you are both too cute!

For some reason this vid kept buffering for me which was annoying but the good thing about it was that I got to see some very cute stills of you guys in mid-sentence or just making cute faces :).

As for Prop 8 I have poured wayy too much emotional and physicial energy into the whole thing, but I am heartened that the Cali Supreme Court will hear the issue and will hopefully invalidate that shit!

Hopefully that will be the next big step in the ongoing march towards full equality not just in terms of marriage and not just in the US but on a slew of different fronts nationally and around the world.

Once again, I don't even watch SON but I had to tune in for a while so I could see your cute faces!

jenn's reenactment had me dying, because it is so clear that guy never even picked up a basketball prior to shooting the first season.

great point about sean "crashing" at chelsea's. where did his church-going grandma go? also, why does chelsea have a couch and bed in her studio anyway? i have never seen a painting with anyone lying down. her parents should have taken that stuff back the day she got pregnant.

I totally get where you guys are coming from! At least I try to. The difficult thing is that I feel race is such an incredibly huge issue in the US and it's not really that way here (holland). I mean, of course we have our race issues here as well, but I never grew up seeing the color of someone's skin. I just really never cared. But the last couple of years when I started to get to know more about America I started realizing that it's still a problem, even in 2008... I don't really know the point of my story. As I said, I'm from a diffirent country, so I can't really know what it's like in the US. I just wanted to say that I'm a huge supporter of equal rights for everyone and I hope I get to see the day that race and sexuality, or whatever minority, isn't a problem anymore.

Anyways, South of Nowhere... I'm not really liking this season, don't really know why. Off to watch the rest of thevlog. woosh..

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B. Scott.  Mr. HEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey luv-MUFFinz!
Wow.  He is just ... I have no words.  I can only take him in small portions.  I mean Look at him!!!

"Be who you are and say what you feel,
because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind."    ~Dr. Seuss

You guys rock.  Super funny and topical.  I am very glad you took time to share your feelings about Prop 8.  Living the Bay Area, it was hard to see "Yes on Prop 8" signs in neighborhoods, even a couple in my neighborhood in San Francisco, to see the loss coming down the road as the lies piled upon lies (no, first graders won't be forced to see gay weddings - sheesh), and then to feel it and know that 52% of Californians just don't think my wife and I should be "allowed" to do what they take for granted.  Anger in the GLBT community is understandable. Attacks on the African American community are not.  Not only is no single group to "blame" for the loss on prop 8, since the "yes" vote crossed a wide variety of groups and backgrounds, no single group is so homogenous that any group label can fit. You'd think we, the GLBT community, would know that. 

We in San Francisco got a reminder of that this week when the SF Chronicle ran a story about Rev. Amos Brown, the leader of the SF NAACP chapter, who faced a boycott of the local chaper's biggest annual fundraiser -- because Rev. Brown was a strong opponent to prop 8, arguing that it was a civil rights issue and not a religious one.  By one count, the boycott cost the SF NAACP $20k.  Rev. Brown has not been moved by the boycott, and continues to see the GLBT struggle to win the right to marry as an equal rights struggle that he needs to back.

If something good can come out of the stupid and hateful things that were said within the GLBT community after the passage of prop 8, it's the realization that GLBT folks do not fight alone AND that we cannot let our allies fight "their" battles alone either, because it's all one battle for rights for all of us.

thank you for your thoughts on obama (!) and prop 8 (and arkansas, michigan and arizona for that matter). that was a sad day here in california and still is (although now the california supreme court has taken up the case, which is good). on nov. 15 i went to my city's protest againt prop 8 rally and overall it was good, but it wasn't very cool when they brought up the race thing. i live on the coast in a city that it is predominently white, rich/yuppie and very few people of color, especially black people. during the rally people made mention of that fact that blacks and hispanics made up a large portion of the yes on 8 voters, etc, etc and how they (being the white people) needed to reach out to those communities. i didn't really appreciate the comment because 1) it wasn't a race issue and 2) they rarely recognize us people of color. it's just like you two were saying, we're largely ignored in the community at large but then the finger gets pointed at us when something like this happens....anyway, i was right there with what you two were saying.

as for south of nowhere, spencer really needs to listen to what you two are telling her! lol. she is still a teen living in her mother's house! she's lucky paula didn't throw ashley out like she did before.

Thanks to you both for stepping out there and sharing your perspectives on the outcome of the presidential election and Proposition 8. 

I understand the instinct to affix blame to someone but, for the good of our cause, and, morever, for the sake of equality, we need to stop pointing the fingers at others (especially since the antecdotal evidence supporting the blame game is weak). These last few weeks, far too many members of the LGBT community (*cough*DanSavage*cough*) have proven themselves to have more in common with supporters of Prop 8 they'd care to admit--against discrimination, specifically, but in favor of discrimination, generally.

On a lighter note, I'm pretty much in agreement with you on South of Nowhere--like Jenn, I thought Glen's "this is why I'm hot" moment was hilarious. It was one of those moments on SoN--which seem all too frequent, quite frankly--where it was clear that an older writer was trying to come up with something witty and young-sounding for Glen to say.  A hilarious, but epic, failure.

That said, I'm actually a fan of the Glen-Chelsea pairing, though I'm convinced that's just a desire to see more of Aasha Davis, who I think is awesome (Friday Night Lights, ftw!).

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just wanted to say thank-you, ladies.  I really look forward to this vlog every week and I greatly appreciate the entertainment. I loved your impression of Chelsea, Jenn and both your mimicries of Aiden pushed me over the edge..TOO FUNNY!!

I was pretty horrified by the numbers when I saw the exit polls after the election.  While 70% of African American voters in either California or Florida were not enough of the overall vote to be the dominant force behind the passing of these Propositions, the actual numbers certainly did help them to pass. 

I suppose it is true that bigoted people of all races like to pretend that "gay" is something that happens to "other" people's families, but, as Sarah says, Visibility Matters, so I'm glad that this site exists and that you do what you do with your vlog. 

However, I was upset by this episode and your claim that as a caucasian, somehow I ignore you unless I want you to vote on something.   You're both gay, as am I, and I see us as part of the same GLBT community.  As far as the African American community as a whole, what are gay people supposed to do for outreach?

I really can't see how 'outreach' can take place when hatred is being preached from the pulpit.  If it sounds like the word of god vs. the word of some dyke, how on earth am I supposed to 'reach out' to people who hate me, whether we are the same pigmentation or not?

I live in Florida.  Most of my co-workers are African American.  I tried to talk to them about voting No on 2, but they just changed the subject or ignored my emails (when I sent videos and other materials).  These are people I talk to everyday, go to lunch with everyday, listen to them talk about their lives everyday.  I'm not 'out' to most of them, but, whenever the subject of homosexuality comes up, I always stick up for gay rights and have gotten a few of them to admit to having gay relatives whom they adore.  Yet, still, they are homophobic and I have to continue to work alongside them, knowing that, most likely, they voted against my Civil Rights.

It's not surprising that the media picked up on one or two stories about a racial divide and decided that that was safer than blaming the Mormons and the Catholics and the Focus on the Family crowd (may they all go broke for their financial contributions to this travesty), but don't allow them to change your attitude towards gay rights and turn it into a black v. white issue.  It's not - we're all in this together and we are stronger when we work together.

One last thing regarding the ads against prop 2 & prop 8 -- It's not just that they didn't show people of color -- they didn't show GAY PEOPLE.   In both states the NO campaigns were a mess, but, that's a rant for another day.

I still love you guys, so there.  :-)

i'm excited about what an obama presidency will look like.  i always thought mccain was cool, still do, but his campaign was crap.  i was ok with either one winning.

the racism that came about really is concerning.  it was weird how they break down the polling by race.  to add to what you two said, i think there is something to be said about our responsibilities as gay minorities. we should all be responsible, but i think that the burden of reaching out to minorities lie a bit more on the gay members of that minority.  i know that my parents and the asian community would more likely relate and listen to me than some ad on tv or some random non asian gay person reaching out to them. 

lmao at the "this is why im hot" scene!  wow...

lol. i love how jenn goes "duuude, because i doooo" and throws the book up in the air... lol, this vlog is awesome.

if i felt alienated from the greater lgbt community before, this election damn near made me i feel i wanted like i wanted nothing to do with the lgbt community. i didn't attend the no on 8 protest in new york because i didn't know what i'd experience there. isn't that sad? i was afraid of what i might do if a white gay person called me n**ger like they did to black protesters in cali, because to me that's a fighting word. you better be ready to fight if you're ballsy enough to say it to my face. i've also been reading some statistics where the amount of black people who voted yes on 8 were 57% as opposed to 70%, so i feel as though some people jumped the gun in their effort to blame somebody. as it always is in this country it's easier to blame the minority...who had about  5% percent of the vote in cali .  (rolling my eyes)

i feel like i've been discussing feeling estranged from the lgbt community for years because like pecola said, the public relations face of the gay community was always so white, and because so many white gays equated the civil rights struggle with gay marriage, like my civil rights struggle as a black person was over. i even said it in a thread on after ellen about being a triple minority and also on one about interracial dating, if you think having a fire hose turned on you and being burned alive (lynching) is comparable to being able to get married you haven't dealt with your white privilege...DAN SAVAGE. (he EXEMPLIFIES the white gay person who never took the time to examine his white male privilige. i used to think he was cool but the day he seriously thinks he can tell me how much of a problem racism presents for me in any arena, let alone the gay community,  is the day he needs to shut the f**k up because he's completely out of line.)

i also feel like these past 3 weeks i've had to defend black people's right to autonomy, just the plain human right to be as stupid and ignorant as anybody else in this country's population . i don't love it, but there is a religious and ignorant faction in the black community, the same as in the white community, asian community and hispanic community, so i was disappointed when i first heard the exit polls but i wasn't completely astonished. i think that's where some of the shock and anger came in from a lot of white gays. black people are not a monolothic group of people, nor are we completely defined by our civil rights struggle or racism or the perception of what it is to be black; it almost felt like a stereotype was being foisted upon the black community by some people's reactions. by the same token the black community is not as pathologically homophobic as publicized, because most black gays in the u.s. live in predominately black communities not gay enclaves (could racism/being priced out have something to do with it? hmm). i just believe that no one should assume anything about anybody or any group ever, because you'll probably be unpleasantly surprised.

many people believe that because you've been heavily discriminated against means you should automatically have an aversion to discriminating against others : NOT TRUE.

 if i went by that meme, i would never expect racism from the gay community, and even i'm not stupid enough to do that.

i stand by my original statements a day after the election: EVERYONE HAS WORK TO DO, not just the black community. pecola definitely highlighted what can be done to build a bridge not only with the greater black community but black lgbts as well.

aint glen the whackest thing????? then when he had his shirt off? my man had a mary kate olsen body.lol

yall keep me laughin. i was in tears. 

Did you guys enjoy the documentary on Wednesday?

Nic

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