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Trish Bendix

by Trish Bendix

The Gay Agenda: The DNC and Sarah Palin

Jon Mallow rants about Sarah Palin and Jennifer Vanasco compares creationism with unicorn-hunting, all on this week's episode of The Gay Agenda.

The Gay Agenda September 5, 2008

chaigrrl77's picture

Thank you so much for the

Thank you so much for the overview of Palin's horrific politics.  I couldn't agree more with Jennifer's fear of putting an anti-science cookoo pants into the white house.  What I would love is for Sarah Palin to meet a couple of wonderful women I know who have 2 adopted special needs children and created a loving home for them.  These women gave a home to children who would currently be on the streets of Russia without any hope of knowing love.  Palin claims to be pro-family and pro-marriage.  She has told the parents of children with special needs that they have an ally in her.  However, she would fight to deny my friends each and every right that a family could have.  Shame on you, Governor Palin!  Boo!!!
LaColombe's picture

Sarah Palin is reported to

Sarah Palin is reported to be a Tina Fey look-a-like. Now on June 2, 2008, Tina Fey was announced as the "Sexiest Woman in the World" by readers of lesbian/bisexual Web site AfterEllen.com in their Annual Top 100.This begs the question: "Will Sarah Palin, a Tina Fey look-a-like make it to number 2 "Sexiest Woman in the World"?
guitarhero's picture

I'd hope not

While I agree that she looks like Tina Fey, I don't agree with Sarah's stance on gay marriage - not supporting it.  I have to laugh (not really, however) that she's pro-life but also pro-death penalty AND pro-gun.  ?? Huh ??

I'm not a religious person and am tired of hearing the Republicans bring God and religion into everything.  There really needs to be a separation of Church and State.  Last time I checked, God wasn't running for president so they shouldn't drag him into their mess into this.

I honestly felt like Obama and Biden believe in their mission after listening to them at the DNC.  They looked out at the crowd while they delivered their speeches while McCain kept most of his eye contact on the sheets of paper in front of him. 

Biden got to the podium and talked to us all about the crumbling economy, people losing their homes because they can't pay their mortgage, jobs going overseas, etc.  Palin got up there and told us how her husband works for an oil company in Alaska (cough..conflict of interest...cough) and is some snowmobile champion or something.  I could give two shits about her husband and his hobbies while I (and many others) struggle to get by while living paycheck to paycheck.

As much as I'd love to see a woman president or vice president, I'm not going to vote for one just to get her into office.  I'll vote for her because she's qualified to be there.  And in my opinion Palin isn't.  And McCain is just too old, out of touch and creepy looking.  So it's pretty clear who gets my vote.

Obama's policy stances: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

 

code3's picture

Let's see....she's

Let's see....she's pro-choice, pro-gun, and pro-death penalty. Seems to me she's pro-personal responsibility.  Nothing wrong with that in my mind.

And McCain creepy looking? 6 1/2 years of old-school torture will fuck you up. Thank goodness it's something you or I will never have to go through.

And I don't know why we're so weary of this Palin woman when the guy leading the race belongs to some radical "church" that seems to only favor one race out of all the races that make up the United States. Reminds me too much of another guy from history.

And if I weren't already unpopular, I must say are gay rights the most important issue facing us today? My friend across the pond can hold hands with her gf as she walks to her shitty job that doesn't pay the bills. In fact, if I'm not mistaken they tax you to hold hands. England ain't all it's cracked up to be.

GrrrlRomeo's picture

She's Pro-Life

Not Pro-Choice. She Pro-Life with no exceptions. Meaning, if a 10 year old girl is raped by her uncle and there's a chance she might die if she gives birth but the baby would live, Palin thinks it should be illegal for that girl to have an abortion.

And she's anti-sex education and pro-abstinence education. Look, if you want to people to be responsible, you have to let them have the tools and education to be responsible. People who are so rabidly against abortion should support the education and contraceptives that prevent abortions from ever being necessary.

Yes gay rights are important to me. Because my partner and I are lower-middle class and it would be in our economic interest to be legally married as well as in the interest of the government. It is better that we be able to take care of each other should something happen to one of us than be dependent on the government.

my_rain_face's picture

People who are

People who are pro-personal-responsibility tend not to be anti-education.  No abortions, and abstinence-only sex education?  Are you kidding me?

 <i>the guy leading the race belongs to some radical "church" that seems to only favor one race out of all the races that make up the United States. Reminds me too much of another guy from history.</i>

Okay. . . correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me you just compared Obama to Hitler.

. . . really?

. . . 

. . . REALLY?

Beyond the sheer absurdity of the comparison, that offends me as a Jew.  Some analogies should not be taken so lightly.  I wouldn't even compare Bush to Hitler, and I hold some very, very serious animosity toward Bush.  Try that one again when we start talking genocide, yeah?

And last I heard, Obama renounced that church anyway.  And really, it seems to me that the church and pastor were really doing no more than being sensational so as to profit from Obama's fame.  Just wait -- after the election, Wright will publish a book.  

 There are very, very few churches in the world that don't view their own people as superior to all others.  I'd like to vote for an atheist, but unfortunately, no atheist would win in this country. 

The rhetoric of favoring one race over all other races runs through this country's entire campaign process, every time any one of them says "America is the best country in the world!"  You know, I've lived in three major English-speaking countries during their respective election times and this is the only country that feels the need to call itself the best in the world.  It's NOT the best in the world.  The very idea of a "best country in the world" is absurd anyway. 

Oh, and if they tax you to hold hands in England, then here, the government auctions off hand-holding management to a private corporate investor who, in turn, outsources individual hand-holding case management to an office and call center in Sri Lanka because Sri Lankan workers only demand $15/day and one day off a week, so your hand-holding fees are really just going to pay the shamefully low wages of overseas workers while the American unemployment rate continues to skyrocket and American citizens continue to die of treatable illnesses because they can't afford the insurance that would make it possible for them to afford to see a doctor.  But hey, at least you're not paying taxes.

Jay's picture

Oh, and if they tax you to

Oh, and if they tax you to hold hands in England, then here, the government auctions off hand-holding management to a private corporate investor who, in turn, outsources individual hand-holding case management to an office and call center in Sri Lanka because Sri Lankan workers only demand $15/day and one day off a week, so your hand-holding fees are really just going to pay the shamefully low wages of overseas workers while the American unemployment rate continues to skyrocket and American citizens continue to die of treatable illnesses because they can't afford the insurance that would make it possible for them to afford to see a doctor. But hey, at least you're not paying taxes.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *virtual highfive*

my_rain_face's picture

Woot!  I was hoping

*highfives back* 

Woot!  I was hoping somebody would read to the bottom of my loooooong post and see that part. 

asinnema's picture

I read it

And I just want to say you had a very well written reply in general :)

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my_rain_face's picture

Why thank you. :)

Why thank you. :)
code3's picture

My bad, she's pro-life not

My bad, she's pro-life not pro choice. Typo. Sorry.

I meant no offense about drawing comprassions between Obama and someone else. But let's face it, radical ideas scare me. That's all I was really voicing. I meant nothing less and nothing more than that. I'm sorry you were offended by my statement. It surely was  not my intent. :-)

 

my_rain_face's picture

Radical ideas are

Radical ideas are frightening, and this entire country is caught up in them, from Jeremiah Wright's offensive statements to Palin's idea that both abortions and sex education are bad to McCain's "Bomb Bomb Iran" song.  Actually, I think there is one party more guilty of spreading hate than the other, and it's not Obama's.  But I think that's a point that could be debated until we were both blue in the face without any forward movement, so I'd rather not bother to engage it.
jackedup77's picture

Right.

If you think Palin's pastor is any better then you need to read this article from Huffington Post

my_rain_face's picture

Yeah, or read this article

Yeah, or read this article from the Seattle Times about how her church wants to hold a massive Gay Conversion Event:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008163805_palingays07.html

(Am I the only person for whom the hyperlink button on the comment page pulls up a blank window?  Even if I hand-code them I can't seem to be able to make hyperlinks on this site.  Blah.) 

cclemoni's picture

*Shudder*

I shudder at the thought of this woman holding a position of power and influence in Alaska, let alone on a global stage.

How anyone can reconcile being pro-life with being pro-gun is nonsensical to me. Oxymoronic, no? Or is that just moronic?!

I'm baffled that some women, and I'm sure they exist, would switch allegiance from Clinton to Palin just because they both have boobs! Seriously, this woman could unpick all the good that Hilary has done for women in positions of power, stitch by stitch.

I listened to Obama and I felt 6 inches taller. I listened to McCain and I was utterly bored. I listened to Palin and I felt sick to my stomach.

"I believe in Unicorns!" Classic.

Thanks guys, enjoyed your commentary.

ekohler's picture

Vote!

I cannot WAIT to vote this November.  Time to CLEAN HOUSE.  I think it's fantastic McCain has chosen Palin.  She is so divisive and so conservative she's going to sink McCain's presidential bid.  I say KEEP HER!

Samantha Bee's commentary on the Daily Show this past week was priceless! A hilarious barb at Republicans thinking women would vote for Palin just because she is a woman. Speaking for all "Vagina Americans" Bee said she was voting for Palin even though their beliefs are completely opposite because "Republicans have figured out that women don't vote with their 'big head' but with their 'little hood'."  HAH!  

btfan2's picture

Palin

Palin is someone not to be taken lightly.

She has Rove's fingerprints all over her. She has showmenship, smarts and is fucking nuts. This is not a combo to be dismissed.

She scares the shit out of me, much more so then bumbling idiot trying to be prez.

If that happens there just isn't a planet far enough away. How did this country get so screwed up and how did this should have been a runaway election get this close?? 

 

 

sonji's picture

How did it get so close

OBAMA is Black end of convo. and for all the liberal talking outside the voting booth when people get into a booth by themselves, then the "internalized hoods" will show themselves. I hope that I have to eat my words but the truth is if OBAMA were all white, not just half, he would be winning in a landslide.

 

my_rain_face's picture

Depressing, but true.

Depressing, but true.
kristina.michelle's picture

As a woman

I feel like it is an attack on my intelligence for McCain to pick Sarah Palin as VP. I am not an idiot. I was not a Hillary supporter merely because she is a woman. I was a Hillary supporter because her stance on many issues was the same or similar to mine. Why would I all of a sudden decide to vote for McCain, who is so opposite in every way, just because he has a woman as his running-mate?

I don't like Palin because she doesn't have enough experience and she stands for things that I stand against. In case anyone hasn't heard, or hasn't been keeping up with all things politics, she was a sports reporter in Alaska and she was the winner of a beauty pageant. That, to me, doesn't say I know a lot about politics.

kristina.michelle

Seren's picture

On the bridge to nowhere

Both NPR (on Thursday 4th September, All Things Considered) and John Stewart talked about how Palin did not technically do away with the bridge. NPR's researchers demonstrated that she just jumped on the bandwagon after Congress had already decided that the bridge was a bad idea. For further evidence, see (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/personalities/sarah-palin/) whose truthometer marks this statement as a half truth. John Stewart went further to say that she was among those who asked for the bridge and then pretended that she was always against it. So, I would take her statements regarding the bridge with a grain of salt, to say the least.
coffeesky's picture

It's funny because the

It's funny because the other day I was actually thinking, 'I'm looking forward to the next Gay Agenda vlog'!  I really enjoyed watching the DNC too, and thanks for sharing your "show-and-tell" items Jennifer!  I got a little to "celebretory" during Obama's speech being that I had to go to work the next morning.  Both Hillary & Bill mentioned Gay & Lesbians in their speeches, but I honestly wasn't expecting Obama to mention it and I was pleseantly surprised when he mentioned "our gay brothers & sisters".  Thanks for sharing your experience with us.  I loved your rant on Palin Jon!  I was definitely a Hillary backer, but I didn't consider voting for McCain for one second when I heard that he chose a woman as his VP because she doesn't share my views on the issues.
eve_jig_it's picture

i'm not really hot

on American politics, or certainly haven't been in the past. But the results for this Presidental election will certainly be of great interest to me considering the differences between the candidates and with the way it turned out last time.   

Palin makes me squint, in a bad way. 

 

 

words of meaning don't mean a thing, if those words don't actually mean anything to you

guitarhero's picture

Politics

I'm not one to really get into politics either, but like you I'm VERY interested in this year's election because our country has turned into a steaming turd.  I think it's super important that everyone does their homework on the candidates so they make an informed decision with their vote. 

alice17's picture

At least jolly Sarah Palin

At least jolly Sarah Palin will be a stayer. She may well lose the odd screw, need a new skin-job now and then, a new hairpiece, but as long as they keep up her maintenance, she will last as long as any other Stepford Wife.
SusanSusanSusan's picture

I Self-Identify as a Woman

mainly because I am one.  And, I am very pro-choice.  I am offended by the term 'pro-life' to describe these war-profiteering, anti-scientific research idiots.  I don't consider a fetus to be alive and I believe that contraception should be readily available in all high schools.

Sarah Palin is just another hypocritical right-wing-nut who got knocked up before marriage, cheated on her husband, raised a daughter who got knocked up at 17 and has absolutely no respect for the rights of other people.  She is a bigot and a fascist and the thought of her anywhere near the Presidency scares the shit out of me.

This country is in the mess that it's in precisely because of 8 years of Republican rule.  And, sadly, Republicans don't get it and they don't care.  They will vote for Republicans just so long as their religious leaders keep telling them to.

blunt spoon's picture

The Bridge To Nowhere

As far as the bridge to nowhere goes, Palin did not do away with it. She was all in favour of the bridge when it was first proposed. In 2006, whilst running for governor, she was interviewed about her stance on various issues, and answers a direct question about the bridge:

Reporter: Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Palin: Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

As Serendipity said, she later changed her position and jumped on the bandwagon and is now claiming that she never supported the bridge in the first place, which is clearly a lie. The other embarrassing thing about the above comment is that it clearly indicates she was in favour of securing funding for the bridge project through earmarks as a result of the Alaskan delegation's strong position within congress at the time. A little out of line with the portrait that the McCain team are attempting to paint of her as a fiscal conservative who stands up to corruption..

I'm really amazed that McCain went with her as his choice of running mate. She's almost laughably easy to poke holes in. Not just her position on unicorns and her relative lack of experience but the fact that, after only 20 months in office as governor she's being investigated for abusing her position. And she lied, flat out lied, about the bridge to nowhere in her acceptance speech. I mean come on! She's a disaster.

Interestingly enough, the McCain team appear a little wary of Palin as a loose canon, which doesn't do anything to assuage my lack of confidence in his choice of her as running mate. They seem to be intent on minimising her contact with the media. McCain, Obama and Biden are all lined up to do interviews on shows tomorrow but not Palin.

lanis's picture

Speaking as a woman

since you asked, I thought the Democratic National Convention was spectacular.  The caliber of the speakers, the issues that they discussed, the two settings, the true rainbow of Americans present, the musicians/artists were the best convention I think I've ever seen.  The best coverage was on C-SPAN.  Obama gave a great speech, both in terms of substance and delivery.  It was truly the climactic moment of the convention. 

I say this not only as an Obama supporter, but also as an African American woman.  If you are too young to know what it was like to be alive during Segregation, you wouldn't get the full impact.  I only got a brief experience of it as a young child in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.  The military was technically desegregated, but on some level military bases always reflect the communities in which they are placed.  The DNC of 2008 was a moment in history.  To see a genuinley positive loving African American family highlighted so strongly is something that will have an impact far beyond politics.  No matter what happens in November, the Obamas have changed the American consciousness.

By contrast the Republican National Convention was just filled with lies, bigotry and self-congradulations for no real substantive reasons.  Romney and Giuliani were all about hot air and 9/11.  Did you see the footage of 9/11 they used for McCain?  It was absolutely disgusting.  They actually showed the buildings collapsing.  Cindy McCain showed she had compassion as an humanitarian, but every time she talked about her husband she looked like she was about to pass a kidney stone.  Palin came across as forceful, but after a few minutes I fell asleep.  I really tried to stay awake, but there just wasn't enough substance from any of the RNC speakers to keep my attention for long.

If Palin wants to be viewed as a pitbull with lipstick, than let's have at her.  The Dems need to go after her hard on the issues.  There are so many of them.

GrrrlRomeo's picture

Linda Ketner

Not only do I live in SC, I live in the 1st congressional district where Ketner is running. How awesome is that?

Why I think Palin was picked?

She's a wedge. Not a wedge issue. She, herself, the woman, is the wedge because she's a woman. That's messed up, and I find it insulting that McCain allowed the GOP to pick her. I really have a hard time believing this was McCain's choice.

Why she's a horrible choice...

Despite living in Alaska where she must be witness to the effects of global warming more than any other place in the US, she thinks global warming isn't man-made.

Despite her family's experience with teenage pregnancy, she supports Abstinence Only programs. I seriously do not understand why so many Pro-Life folks are against sex education and contraception. Teenagers have sex because it is human nature to want to have sex...it's an instinct. If you do not teach them to have sex, they will still have sex. If you don't teach a human to eat, guess what? They'll figure out how to eat when they're hungry. And teenagers will have sex when they get horny.

I'm not a hardcore atheist. I have no problem with creationism. As long as it's taught in church. If you want your children to learn about God, then send them to Sunday School. That's what it's for. And people are certainly free to send their children to private Christian schools.

I don't think she's from my reality. Seriously. What? I don't understand her decision making process. Sometimes I can disagree with someone, but at least understand how they got to their conclusions. But Palin is just totally alien to me.

PS Heart is really, really pissed that the RNC used their song "Barracuda" as Palin's theme song after telling them not to.

Nancy Wilson says, "I think it's completely unfair to be so misrepresented. I feel completely fucked over. Sarah Palin's views and values in NO WAY represent us as American women."

GrrrlRomeo's picture

The word is Exploitation

Uhhh...yeah, I'm replying to myself. I just had a forehead smacking moment.

What I'm really trying to say is that I think the GOP is exploiting Palin because she's a woman.

flowerlady's picture

We get her "message"

She is "pro life" ...yet as Governor she has slashed the budget for special needs children and reduced it by 60%.

Palin is recently a mother to a special needs child, an aunt to a special needs child, and who promised in her acceptance speech at the recent republican convention that she was there for special needs children..

Here is what she said: “To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House.”

This is how she "supported and advocated" for those with special needs in Alaska:

Here is the states budget prior to her term:

2005 6945.30/2007 Management Plan 7949.30
2007 Governors 8265.30

Here is the budget from when she was elected in 2006 starting in office Jan 2007:

2006 7949.30  2007 Management Plan 3173.70 2008 Governor 3156.00

some "friend" she is...So pro life support ends with birth in her book it seems.....We get her message...

Jay's picture

!

Kudos to Jennifer for the 'creationism is insane like unicorns prancing across a rainbow' rant. Mocking people's religious beliefs takes a lot of nerve regardless of how off the wall they appear to be. Especially Evangelicals, they're scary.

I found the VP Nomination insanely offensive, and don't really understand how any woman could interpret it otherwise... There is no way in hell McCain would have nominated her if not for the Hillary voters he wants to pander at.

I assumed Palin's nomination wasn't only because she has boobs, otherwise why wouldn't he have gone after Condoleezza Rice? But when I looked up Palin's resume I found it very hard to figure out why the hell else she's now a potential leader of the most powerful country on the planet. McCain had to have considered Rice for this position if he was set on a female VP, and she is vastly more qualified than Palin, but he wants to disassociate himself from the Bush administration. This is all about the right person for electability, not about the right one for the job... and marketing's fine or whatever, but there's a difference between flipping pancakes for the cameras and putting the fate of your country in the hands of whoever happens to be good PR at the time. It's completely irresponsible.

Responsible government should nominate its leaders based on their ability to manage the country's domestic and international affairs, NOT for their ability to win an election. It is completely irresponsible, idiotic, and offensive to every single american voter to pull a stunt like this. I get that the VP has to appeal to the public or whatever but that is her only remarkable asset. Even republicans should be pissed about this. The american presidency is supposed to reflect the best of the best, and instead you've got your leaders throwing the first available vagina at you because they think you'll like it.

The true insult is that McCain is obviously convinced that you're all stupid enough to fall for it, otherwise none of this would have happened. And also the fact that he's more concerned with winning an election than the VERY REAL consequences that we'll all have to deal with....... like when he inevitably dies sometime during his term and suddenly we have joe vagina + nuclear weapons.

The irony is that hypothetically this is great for feminism. Hah. This election makes my head hurt.

bugeyedkitty's picture

The true insult is that

The true insult is that McCain is obviously convinced that you're all stupid enough to fall for it, otherwise none of this would have happened.

wow thats not a very nice way to make your points.. some people think Palin is a good choice.. if you dont like her dont vote for her..

everything that has been said about her can be said about obama.. IMHO other than the boobs/vagina stuff :)

red08's picture

yes i do

I believe in creationism! I also feel that it should be taught in school  along with evolution.  Not every child has the opportunity to go to church. It's awesome that we all feel strongly about our beliefs. I just wish there were unicorns. I'd still be afraid to ride them though.

 

That is the only thing i have in common with palin other than the boobs thing.

 

 

So make your voice heard by voting!! 

jackedup77's picture

Really? you're being sarcastic

But that makes me wonder

What class would creationism be taught in?

It obviously can't be taught in science because there's nothing scientific about creationism.  It's not supported by any evidence, experiments, empirical data, facts,...nada.

Philosophy maybe.  I can deal with that. 

Ancient Literature.  Even Better.

I think kids should learn about the creation stories of each culture. Teachers could focus on the similarities, why the cultures felt the need to tell creation stories,  What those stories symbolize.  

Yeah, I have no problem with creationism being taught in literature.

emrien84's picture

I agree with jackedup77 that

I agree with jackedup77 that if creationism is to be taught in schools it should be done in literature to encompass all views/myths/legends about the beginning of existence.  To only teach creationism from one religious belief (i.e. christianinty) is like teaching abstinance without teaching sex ed: it assumes that everyone is in accordance to one belief.  Hate to burst some of your bubbles, but, not everyone believes that sex before marriage is a sin and not everyone believes that one day God decided to let there be light.  By encompassing a little bit of everything, teaching a little bit of everything, people are given the opportunity to choose for themselves what they believe.  

Feeling strongly about your beliefs is one thing, to force others to believe the same is another. 

red08's picture

Our Beliefs

No, L Rea you did not burst my bubble.  I am not the type of person that force my beliefs on everyone i pass by (I know, not that your saying that) or that goes to church every Sunday. Everyone has there own beliefs. And about what subject would Creationism and Evolution should taught in science , in literature or in p.e. just as long as they get learn about them. If any one wants to discuss this with me feel free to pm me if u agree or no. or any thing else u want to talk about. 

side note: just as sex isn't much talked about at some homes neither is evolution or creationism.  

 

Thank you jackedup77 and L Rea for replying.

 

Make your voice heard by voting.. 

GrrrlRomeo's picture

School's not for Evangelizing

Some people are actually not Christian and don't want their kids taught religious theories as though they were part of scientific theories. For schools to teach religious beliefs would be putting the school in the position of evangelizing.

Religion should be part of cultural studies, or social studies and history. It should be taught in the context of "this is what some people believe" and not "this is what you should believe".

bugeyedkitty's picture

Food for thought on creationism

I thought creationsim was bunk too until someone pointed out to me that if you believe in some kind of infinite higher being you actaully believe in some type of creationism.

 Now I dont believe in a father figure god, but i do believe in the Hermetic All.

The ALL who has always been and who always will be.. if i believe that then I must believe that the ALL created life..but then evolution kicks in producing our state of life today.. but technically since I believe life comes from the ALL.. I believe in creationism... same thing applies to those who believe in a goddess or "the Universe"

Only atheists could truly refute creationsim beliefs

jackedup77's picture

I see

your use of creationism in a broad view.

But the creationism that Palin seeks to teach in school  does not accept the theory of evolution.  The timeline and mechanisms are completely different.

Scientist can refute creationist beliefs

Atheist cannot.  I'm of the opinion that the does God exist/not exist argument is such a waste of time and mental energy.   I'm baffled by both sides.  God, a term that is so varied and vague, can't be proven or disproven.  The all, The one, the way, Tao, unity... they are all terms and ideas that are so wrapped up in subjective experience... it's kind of ridiculous....

whatever

asinnema's picture

Eurovision song contest

Palin scares me (I actually had feverish nightmares of her last week when I fell ill with a cold- it wasn't pretty) and the whole direction this is taking..

Let me just say I was crushed four years ago when Bush won again. I don't know just how I feel if it turns out the republicans win again. I'm not from the States, I'm from the Netherlands. Uninterested Americans that don't vote or don't consider why they vote this or that drag the rest of the world with them into misery.

All in all this whole ordeal reminds me of the Eurovision Song Contest. Each year I get highly invested in our dutch candidate, hoping against hope, and each time we get crushed by our opponents. Something inside me dies a little each time. 

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regularjo's picture

First of all, I'm a

First of all, I'm a canadian. However, I work with an American who is a republican, and I like to debate with her on the issues.

Yesterday I spoke to her about Palin and brought up all the what ifs, and she had been busy the last couple of weeks so hadn't caught up on reading. My co-worker is pro-life, has traditional views on family and is, to some degree, a religious lady. Not to mention she's from Texas and probably would have voted for Bush the second time around if she hadn't moved to Canada. Even she wad disguested by Palin by the time I was done our conversation, and we hadn't even really talked about much.

 

eve_jig_it's picture

Eurovison, lol

''All in all this whole ordeal reminds me of the Eurovision Song Contest. Each year I get highly invested in our dutch candidate, hoping against hope, and each time we get crushed by our opponents. Something inside me dies a little each time''. 

Thats so funny (hehe), sorry. I think here in the UK we are now used to countries not voting for us anymore, regardless of whether our songs are rubbish or not. 

Sorry To everyone else for going off subject.

 

coffcaffcola's picture

can one respect a woman's achievements...

...when one disagrees with her politics?

i mostly enjoyed watching this week’s descriptive and heated (albeit mostly 1-sided...?) episode. the memorabilia was fun to see, and in particular the descriptions of gay delegates standing with arms raised, and gay rights supporters joining in, was very touching. it reminded me of the key differences between Dems & Repubs.

the unanimous pummeling of SP, though, has me seeing flashbacks of the Dem presidential primary. they dragged Hillary up and down, backwards and forwards through the mud for wanting to be president. now? they’re dragging SP up and down, backwards and forwards through the mud for wanting to be vice-president. while it seems logical to attack SP because of her conservative ideas, why the viciousness?

remember, HRC was very liberal, yet that didn’t stop Repubs and Dems alike from ripping into her like jackals. these are two seemingly very different women, (a high experience liberal v. a mid-low experience conservative), yet the nonstop attacks thrown at both women all amount to the usual stuff: a She just can’t handle one of the two highest offices in the U.S.

sadly, not 1 woman on this site has defended SP. that doesn’t seem fair, so I will.

Unlike other feminist organizations which have taken up against Palin because of her conservative views, … WomenCount says they’ll “work to stamp out sexism when we see it on the campaign trail.” WomenCount was co-founded by top Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell, once the head of Esprit Clothing and now a full-time philanthropist and activist.

 

One blogger who said it best over the weekend: “We will defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we like her or support her, but because that’s how feminism works.”

 

[see “ Hillary backers come to defense of Palin” at http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080909/pl_politico/20934]

once again, most of us (don’t see that we) generously give the Benefit of the Doubt to a flawed and inexperienced man to do right by us - - BO’s faults are clearly documented (u-turn on public financing when it served his own campaign’s pocketbook. Note that JM & SP are actually using that exact same public financing system which BO had supported before not supporting it; two-facedness in praising Pennsylvanians in PA, and then trashing them in San Francisco; calling for 'unity' while maintaining a lifelong relationship with a divisive religious figure; etc.) - - YET when a similarly flawed and inexperienced woman wants to do right by us? we snatch back that same Benefit of the Doubt with lightning speed.

Oh, no, no, No! she didn’t get a law degree from Harvard / Stanford / or / Yale like BO did! (BO’s wealthy grandmother putting BO through decades of schooling and world-traveling for free? let’s not mention that un-American fact! stick with the poor-single-mother story, please!) she participated in a beauty pageant as a young woman! (the fact that SP had to earn her own money to put herself through college, and quickly realized pageantry is a denigrating institution? let’s not mention any exonerating facts!) Five children, shouldn’t she be at home cooking? (BO’s wife giving up her advanced career so BO can advance in his career alone? let’s not mention such a distasteful fact!) why, SP even hired a slimy thing (lawyer) once, isn’t she slimy by association? (BO’s 20-year close father-son-type bond with racist and christian nutjob rev. wright? let's don't mention facts questioning BO’s character. stick with smearing SP.) how could she possibly be vice-president of our country?!


SP is not perfect. no doubt her vision has been limited by such insular geography, and the small-town-mentality politics in it. to see more fully, let's look at context. Alaska is an excessively macho state in an already very macho country. a liberal (Hillary-type) female wouldn’t have lasted one term in AK as mayor of any town, let alone become the state’s Governor.

i understand SP did what she had to do to survive as a female politician, amidst a vast swarm of (hard boiled) male politicians and (some chest-banging) male power brokers. yet ... with the first bits of power in her hands, she decided to play hardball with them rather than take the logically easier route of currying their favor. it speaks volume as to the size and strength of her spine. SP is a deeply religious yet contemplative mother who is still trying to make her way, and establish her footing, in a male-dominated world. she is far more thoughtful and measured, and “feminist” than many “liberal” women can see.

personally, i see a strong, charismatic, hardworking and intelligent woman who’s doing pretty damned well considering the height of the odds stacks against her. it’s apparent from the last few weeks that SP has had to fight both women and men’s low expectations about her abilities; subtle misogyny about her intelligence; and even outright sexism about her very worth, in order to achieve meaningful goals in this male-dominated society.

she's not only achieved a tremendous amount in her young life, but duly acknowledges the foremothers who blazed that trail for her. many say 'can't you see it's just opportunistic lip service. don't fall for it!' the facts say differently. SP praised female leaders including Hillary, back before Hillary even conceded the Dem primaries. i have to admit a ... bit of guilt for not being able to jump on Hillary's bandwagon [2 different political parties] because i would so love to see a woman president. and i think our nation is overdue there. ... i've said all along 'Heck Yeah!' america's ready for a woman president.” [see Newsweek’s Women & Leadership Event held in L.A. in March 2007 at http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190.]

As Geraldine Ferraro herself said, SP “mentioned both me and Hillary. I was really quite surprised because in 24years nobody has done that on a national scene politically.” [see interview by Greta Van Susteren at http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/governor-palin-an-american-woman-in-case-you-missed-it/]
In 24 years. Not.One.Single.National.Candidate acknowledged the first female vice presidential candidate of our country. since 1984, and yes, that includes all those pro-choice 'pro-women' Democratic candidates.

it’s amusing how many women and men reacted so quickly and so loudly.

to misogyny against Geraldine Ferraro? nope.

to misogyny against HRC? nope.

to what, exactly?

to the first woman who has a real shot at the vice-presidential office. liberal women everywhere rose up and declared they’re steaming mad and “highly offended” by the SP pick. they assure everyone that they’re much too smart to fall for such Empty Pandering.

I guess I was alone when I thought

 

when Michelle O said ‘thanks to HRC for putting 18 million cracks into that glass ceiling,’ wearing her soft pastel mom clothes per BO’s advisors’ instructions, while gathering up the little ones to spare her Important Husband such a menial task, that was the definition of Empty Lip Service Pandering.

 

when SP said ‘thanks to Geraldine F and HRC for putting 18 million cracks into that glass ceiling,’ dressed in sharp no nonsense business black, while accepting the Vice Presidential Nomination for the United States of America, that was the definition of Actions Speak Louder Than Words.

here are some specific points in the vlog that I disagree with, and some of my own points:

one, if it wasn't SP, but a male governor who was “under investigation” for “ethics violations” shortly after going toe-to-toe against big business (big oil, to boot)... if they tried to make him sweat right after he tried to cut them down at their knees financially because he wanted to share their enormous wealth with ordinary working-class Joe & Jane citizens... what would we be saying about this ostensible “investigation” then? i think we all know. just pick up any Hollywood legal drama in your video store to see the many forms of ...

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Main Entry:

pay·back

Pronunciation:

\’pa-?bak\

Function: noun

Date: 1955

1: something done in retaliation: a really vicious payback for years of being snubbed.

2: requital; something given in return, compensation, or retribution.

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two, kinda odd how SP’s “inexperience” is compared to ... bill clinton’s? no mention of BO, whose record easily lends itself to valid comparison with SP’s: neither held “substantial” office until recently. neither have finished their 1st terms in their current positions. both are in their 40s. both are part of ‘minority’ groups. both are smart, hardworking, hardcharging, gifted speechmakers, with highly charismatic personalities.

BO is running for president, SP is running for vice-president. a crucial difference. Dems complain ‘She has no experience and she’d be a hearbeat away from the presidency -- how irresponsible!BO’s equal inexperience? uh, don't mention it & it'll go away? what does one call this ignoring of the pink elephant in the room?? Hm. a) unconscious double-standard sexism? or b) fear of once again highlighting BO’s obvious inexperience? here is, sadly, plain ol' misogyny. here is, sadly, exactly the obfuscating the Dems criticize Repubs for.

three, as for supporting the teaching of creationism, i agree with Vanasco that this is somewhat troubling. yet, as pointed out earlier, a belief in a sentient higher power = belief in creationism. i’m not a fan of creationism as “science,” but in all honesty, science still hasn’t answered our eternally mystifying question: what came first, chicken or egg? As Albert Einstein observed: “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” SP’s real position? teach creationism along with evolution, not one or the other.

four, SP is not 100% anti-abortion. she completed a pro-life group’s questionnaire in 2006 re her stance on social issues. SP wrote: “I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor’s determination that the mother’s life would end if the pregnancy continued. ...we cannot condone ending an innocent’s life .” for SP, grown & sexual women can still be “innocent,” and yes, their lives valuable enough to save. this flew in the face of the same right-wingers who support her. [see msnbc’s ‘Race for the White House’ video at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/]

five, actions speak louder than words. SP, like BO, has said one thing and done another. the difference is, in BO’s case it’s liberal words + conservative deeds. in SP’s case, it’s conservative words + liberal deeds:

1. After getting elected on a pro-life platform, In 2006, as AK governor, SP had a chance to sign into law a bill that would remove all legal protections for gays & lesbian citizens of AK. she used her very first veto as governor to kill it. [see cites #1 & #2 below]. [see http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2005/11/01/3] and [see http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2006/12/29/6]

 

2. In 2007, SP had a chance to write an abortion ban into law. she chose to ignore it, and let it die.
[see http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner]

 

3. In her very recent interview with ABC news, she said “I don’t know [if homosexuality is genetic or learned]. I’m from a … community with … many diverse backgrounds. … I’m not going to judge them.” when she could easily have toed the same terse line, ‘it’s a lifestyle choice I don’t agree with’ the way mccain, the way far-right religious nuts, the way every-self-righteous-body in her whole party, do. [see http://abcnews.go.com/wn]

if we look beyond the distortions, SP doesn't fit into the 'scary' 'extremist' mold which moveon.org types have fashioned for her (and would like her to fall into). perhaps, if we value facts & science, we’ll research at non-partisan sites whenever possible; and take partisan sites’ claims of “fact” with a healthy dose of salt.


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Oh where do i start

 I have such strong opinions on politics that i dont think ive ever posted in this thread before now because im likely to get on one. Being British i guess some ppl would say it has little to do with us. Sadly your politics affects us more than you realise. For example the war in Iraq, Hostilities towards Iran, North Korea and now Russia. Our economy is in the shit bc banks here bailed out alot of Mortgage companies in America some ppl even call us the 51st state. This is why it scares the shit out of me having a vice president like Palin. I hate everything she stands for her policies and beliefs. What sort of normal person would think its funny to compare themselves to a dangerous savage violent animal such as a pitbull !!!!! You cant own one here without  muzzling it in public. And yes my country has many faults as any other. I ask Republicans are you happy to know that your country has one of the worst rates of ppl living in poverty out of any super power western country. And yes i can walk down the street holding my GFs hand knowing i am not discriminated against and if i am there are laws to protect me , i dont live in fear bc i have a wife not a husband and i can get married. McCain and Palin match made in heaven actually no i should say Hell. She even scares me more than Bush and thats saying something  
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Thank you for your

Thank you for your thoughtful words, coffcaffcola.

I had watched this provocative video a few weeks ago and was put off by the snide, belittling tone and cavalier use of poorly researched assertions as “fact.” Unfortunately, I don’t think the Gay Agenda’s tone is any different than the fanatically staunch supporters of either side.

I had stayed in the “political closet” because I knew I would be well in the minority in my objection. I knew I would be unable to sway any opinion in this forum, even if I were as eloquent as Mr. Obama. And I knew I would open myself to being accosted for my beliefs, which alone would make me a lousy politician and make that closet seem pretty darn nice. But coffcaffcola’s words gives me hope that there are some people willing to not buy into the scare tactics. I wanted people to know there is more than one AfterEllen reader who is not “insulted” or “disgusted” or “frightened” by Mrs. Palin as the VP choice. I am, in fact, encouraged by it.

What do I fear? I fear voters will be too lazy to really investigate the candidates. Although, it is really hard work. What assertions are true? We get spin out of both campaigns, the liberal and conservative main stream media, and of course the ever-reliable opinion editorials and blogs.

Of course, staunch liberals know that the Republican’s are the only ones that spin, flip-flop, and just out and out lie. Just look at the SP “bridge to nowhere,” which she did finally abandon as Governor after supporting a transportation solution during a political campaign. How dare she reject the bridge and keep the reduced money she didn’t ask for to do other projects for her state! How dare they spin that she was totally against earmarks! She only significantly reduced the state’s requests not eliminate them cold turkey! BO would never ever, ever, ever. flip-flop or spin like that!!

It wasn’t really a flip-flop when Obama said in 2004 that it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro," then in August 2007, speaking to a Cuban American audience during his campaign, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change.” Nor did he flip-flop his position regarding gay marriage, (http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1051404.html#comments_here)

where he first said he thought the States should choose, but then announced his opposition to a California ballot measure that would ban same-sex marriages. (Why should I give any credit to SP, who vetoed a bill that would have banned equal State benefits for same-sex couples. It wasn’t done to win the gay vote – she had the audacity of trying to follow constitutional law, really!!)

Maybe Obama’s positions changed because, perhaps, he actually learned more information that changed his mind. Now, don’t we expect politicians to do that? Learn? And it shouldn’t really matter that that the BO campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and Edwards as "special interest" money then changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. I mean, he learned that he could get their endorsement and was "thrilled" by their support http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022402094.html.

I can not blame Ms. Vanasco’s reservations concerning the widely reported “fact” that SP blindly believes in creationism. Surely she’s insane like a unicornism-ist. Well, her parents were science teachers and she thought it OK to discuss both in classrooms - oh the utter insanity!

I also can not blame Mr. Mallow for repeating that traitor SP was a member of the Alaska Independent Party, which was reported with great authority until someone actually did the research instead of rely on hearsay. I do think it is a valid question to ask SP why she attended AIP conventions and her thoughts on the AIP, especially since her husband was a one-time member. I would guess it was she was being a sleazy politician listening to voter concerns, like she did to get elected to mayor, then Governor, and that’s just appalling. Why would anyone want to listen to the voters?!?

Unfortunately, I believe SP answers won’t matter one bit to staunch liberals or even staunch conservatives, who are so far entrenched in their positions that any revelation to the contrary of their beliefs will be summarily rejected.

D@mn the facts, full spin ahead.

An American

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Sarah Palin Makes a Better Distraction...

...than anything. One cannot help but be a little fascinated by the apparent extremity of her conservative beliefs. By freaking out about Palin's connection to the Alaskan Unicornist Society (or what have you), the Republican party is more easily able to dodge the issues that are actually important. (Are you actually going to do anything about the war or the economy? I'm guessing not really.)

There are some good things about Palin. Even when she says really stupid stuff, she's still got some charisma about it. She's also nice to look at. However, just because I would possibly like to see her naked does not mean that I want to see her as next in line for the presidency.

An American's picture

Distractions

I agree that the fanatical responses cause a distraction (and I'd add, a dangerous distraction) from the real issues.

I hope voters would actually investigate the idea of "extremity of her conservative beliefs" to see if Palin's beliefs are really as extreme as some in the media asserts. As I would hope voters actually investigate the issues surrounding Obama, who isn't as ethereal as some might assert. And I would hope that the issues of importance of the voters are truely investigated.

At the end of the day, I hope the American public votes on truth, not spin. But sadly, I don't think that will happen. It is truly hard work. I believe that the President and Vice President will be determined by who has the best spin machines (including the MSM). Unfortunately, I think it will not be decided by the candidates and their real positions.

An American


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